S (Curved) Staff Moves Thread - input appreciated

Anyone knows how to play "S"-curved staff?

... you can't be everywhere, Banyan - unfortunately ...

These staffs intrigue(d) me since I have seen you play them in KPG...

Strugz, and Michael Moschen should be able to help you there

Cant say I've seen that before, but its very very cool... I think I'm going to make myself a pair right now...

was it not strugz who had a set of these at PLAY festival? they'r confusing, but look really effective!

They appear incredibly nice to me, but handling is

It seems that even the easiest staff moves become quite tricky, when applied to S-taffs. Then again, there are other moves that would not look at all when done with regular ones - the shape makes them look fantastic.

A bit "zenish", no?

Thanks for the link UCOF, I haven't had the time to watch the vid yet...

I pl;ayed with strugz's S-staffs at bournemouth fire festival, they are pretty tricky, you have to have perfect planes and bear in mind the rotation as well. normal staff moves do not trasfer across too easily.

Tom

I just popped by, ill be back - but essentially - you can do ALL doubles (spinny) moves with them - parralel, split time, anti spin, isolations - Everything......

There is a little knack to it - a twist in plane / direction.... not like normal sticks thats for sure.....

ill see if i can get some info / short vid for you soon......

Sorry for the delay in responding - i aint about much these days

No worries at all - time's a master that I meet frequently... as long as you keep your promise before end of this year I find them SO hard to grasp at first... wonder whether one could spin Thaistyle with them

But they are sweet - I will definitl. get a pair

You could always ask Bryan/Banyan... since I think he inspired this, no?

I realise it may have originally come from Michael Moschen... but I know both Strugz and Tom were inspired by seeing (or vids) of Bryan's lovely S-staffs at the start of this year...

He used to be here as Heph...

(credit where it's due, and all that)

xx

lovely amazing stuff.

Where are you getting them from Tom? Or are you getting them made

... did do de crediting I knew of in the IP. Mucho thank yo for enlightening the paths of origin to me humble apprentice, Clare. Will seek out Banyan (thanks for reminding me of his nick) and Heph (?) for further information. to Clare

I'll get them in BKK - Pak is making them, has got a pair on sale for 4 grand incl. wick. Sounds reasonable to me.

I have enthused the guys here and one of them makes all sorts of stuff. His gf is interested so may even happen. The Goose is awesome

Yesterday tried my new curved double
got an accident... lol
what i did is put there 'abit' too much wick
burned like hell+ the curve...

got my t-shirt ignited(it had some fuel shaken from staffs)
nothing serious really, but was quite hot

is there anyway to burnoff the fuel from a curved staff? I wouldn't have thought so.

That is a very valid question! Never though of it, as they (usually) spin lots slower.

I'll have mine made next week - found someone able to weld aluminum and that for reasonable price.

I'd imagine that a fireball style spinoff wouldn't be possible due to the form of the curved staff. With a regular staff, the fuel is expelled along the full surface area of the wick, causing it to wick off in fine droplets which generates the fireball. With a curved staff, the fuel will be drawn to the outer edge of one of the curves which likely will not have the same effect.

However, you could probably do a trail style burnoff if you can spin the staff fast enough in wall plane.

If you end up trying it, be careful and let us know how it goes. (I'd probably try it with a mockup staff and water, rather than lit fuel).

Peace,
- Sui

i tried, it is possible to spin curved rather quiclky, by putting hands at about 1/3 and 1/3 length of it ang making simple spinning moves
but it's far from what is needed to get a fireball anyway

Made my curved myself, as most of other equipment

Just wondering how well curved staff moves would translate to a scythe. Obviously with the scythe the curves aren't as extreme and there's weight at one end, but would it be similar?

Nah, a scythe is completely different. You'd be using more polearm styled movements with it.

Peace,
- Sui

Factually it seems there is lots less of (classical) spinning involved as the S-shape of the staff makes it very difficult to spin and keep the staff running on it's plane.

Wonder about Contact-S...

You weld your own staff f_f? Interesting, I should learn Argon welding...

Try 1beats with curved
they're so easy with simple staffs but feel quite weird with curves

Contact.. well, I managed to do contact propellor and a fishtail, could be possible to do conveyor belt and some more vertival contact using hands only but no steves matrix ect..


What I see in general, most of moves could be done, They just feel different way, are quite unstable especialy at the beginning of practice and can hit you quite hard ))

- Konstantin

Buugeng

coming soon to HoP library

Hey lovely Dai!!

Well done on COL mister

x

Sweet - Dai's uploaded lots of lessons to the HoP library...
Go learn.

Struuuuuuuuuuuuuugz, fancy making some props?

Yeah, nice.
Anyone knows where could I get such a nice pair of Curves?

Well guys...

HERE'S THE LINK

Why is it Buugeng however?

Yep, anyone knows where to get that Buugeng prop?

I want it hardly >_<'

agreed, the ones Dai uses are very pretty. Want a pair myself now. The ones from the Moschen vid aren't to bad either. I need to find someone around here who can make some of this type stuff....

http://www.zaobab.com/buugeng_about.html

That's where Dai sells his buugeng.

nice, thanks

wow, didn't think buugeng is made of 2 boomerangs or smth like that. I guess, I'll make a pair of these for myself in some weeks.

Would be great to get glowing ones if they had such in stock. Should be quite an impressive tool, maybe even better then with fire.
You can do most of doubles spinning moves with'em but fire prevents from doing big part of slower moves, isolations. It simply reaches your hands then. Well, hope I'll find way to do it anyway soon.

damn, the shipping's expensive
I hope HOP will start selling these soon

I was sorely tempted to get some from Dai ... it works out at £60 inc. shipiping to the UK for a pair ... if only I had a job!

I've never handled one of these, so I'm curious: Does the S-shape have to be a specific type of curve for the optical illusion to work? From Dai's videos, the curve looks like a perfect sine wave, but does it really matter? I.e. Could they be made out of two semi-circles, or any old pair of arcs?

To anyone who has made a set of these: How did you do it and what did you use? Did you machine them out of wood? Use a jigsaw? Or did you use metal? Or did you just tape a bunch of well trained cats together?

Ok, so I took one look at the lessons, one look at Dai's site and realized I wanted these so bad it hurt. Shot off an email to him, and had one quick phone call to the boyfriend for color consultation, and I've ordered me a set.

Mmmmmmmm can't wait!

Curse you long shipping time!!!!

Yay I am the pround owner of a pair of yellow buugeng hurray for birthday money.

It's everything everyone who's posted above me has said they are, amazing, but insanely difficult. Once I got my head round the grip rotating in its own axis as you do the weave, it all becomes a lot more easy.

I love all the mime-type stuff you can do with these! My favorite is my big yellow curvy buugeng-moustache

Dunno whether to get the red ones or the yellow ones.

They look amazing, the simplest double staff tricks look doubly amazing.

Will definitely have to buy a pair!

I've found quite difficult and nice the way you control
the vertical rotation(actually spiral..) movement of the
staff during simple figure of 8.

Also I found quite similar tensions like with flagging,
where you intensively control the spin.

(Inclined spiralz..)

-Butterfly sweeps
-Parallel reels
-Swaps
-Fountains
-360's
-Insides

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Also next step in experiencing steve.

Steve?.. Po!,

:R

There's abit of my S-staffs in this video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLEFVHQrkY0
0:14 and 0:49

Btw, anyone gona bring his curves into Play?
Would be great to meet, share exp, explore new moves.
Only problem I'm not sure if I manage to transport my pair to britain for now.

throws, throws and more throws!
did you know that i like throws?


















ps throws.

Anyone got the link to that moschen video??? its been pulled from youtube and it WAS on his site, but I can't seem to find it anymore..

I have it on VHS....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSlLJ0SqszE

Has anyone been doing palmspins with them? A palmspin on each hand, held above my head feels nice, as well as out to each side of me. Using my thumb to stall and flicking in the other direction feels nice, also... Tends to be easy going curve first, more difficult point first. I think i looks alright from a spectator view, I havent shown anyone, though.

hey MNS, there was an awesome buugeng skill swapping sesh at CG - single and double palmspins with and without body movements were part of it, though i was fixated mostly on specifically buugeng-only moves (palm spins are after all possible with staff and clubs) like folding and tracing curves.
b

I understand that completely, but it does have its own effect, I think. Its only with buugeng that you can do it against the curve or with the curve.

And have you played at all with flipping the buugeng around the centrepoint? Split time and even time full spins... as a way to transition between having the buugeng folded and unfolded? I had a go, can get the left to do it, but not the right. Dunno what thats about.

hmm you might have to explain centrepoint differently - it means 3 different things depending on what axis you're referring to.
Ya shoulda joined in the sesh - it was refreshing to see talented spinners like Jed share skillz in such an uncompetitive spirit.
Let us all bow in the direction of Dai!

Indeed! I love this toy so much!

Has a really good session last night. Still mainly working on versions of doublestaff tricks, but ones I never bothered to learn with actual staffs, like a waterfall with 1 antispun the other not - I love all the opening and closing spaces and ways of creating them.

Also really liking using them closed up, you can bring them together to form a 'fake' buugeng and separate out. Done right with open and close moves it can look like you have loads of single curves that can stick together in any combination

I thought I replied to this... by "centrepoint I merely meant moving from closed to open, back to closed.

I probably should've joined you lads, but not a moment of my time at CG was wasted... so I was probably doing something useful anyway. I would have been just watching anyway since I didnt have buugeng yet.

-Parallel sweeps 360, 720's.
-Directionless corkscrew!
-Over head buttefly.

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OH BF has 2 Cross-over points
at each side of fist.

1 of the last outside
practise.

so much fun,

:R

hi richee, is the sweep in the wall plane or horizontal plane?
by directionless corkscrew, are you holding the staffs vertically?
cheers!

I've got a bit of a hide saying this, given my innate slackness with such things (and pretty much everything else), but...

a picture paints a thousand words, so just imagine what a video will do...!!!

B > Direction less I meen I can hadle both directions!

Vertical sweep(outside/buzzsaw figure 8 motion)

Asymetric sweep:

LH: outside - buzzsaw
RH: buzzsaw - outside

Symetric sweep:

LH: outside - buzzsaw
RH: outside - buzzsaw

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Parallel vertical symetric sweep, with wrists
touching continualy each other.

These are called boxes, because the
hands create negative space between them.

yay,

:R

anyone know where to buy these at the moment?

as i understand it Dai has been approached separately from the site to provide buugengs without the paint.

You know people who know Dai, Dave. Use that celebrity powah of yours, bro!!

ps, *smashing* promo vid there!

s staff.. nice... never seen those before, gotta make myself a set.

Buungeng now available on Dais site with sexy no-paint-just-wood finish my set's in the mail, yay!

That was me who special requested those buugeng and I'll freely admit that they are the SEXIEST buugeng I have ever seen... they are really quite gorgeous. You'll love them to bits, Knoxious.

I'll get a picture of mine up to show you if you'd like.

New stuff:

- Antispin weaves - create some lovely negative space effects in all 4 quadrants when you isolate it right;
- Opposites antispin isolating the tips on the vertical line - supprisingly easy when you continually turn with it.

Found a lovely little sequence that works by shifting grip back to 2/3 the way down the buugeng and flicking the wrist so the magnets disengage. The buugeng end up bent at 90 degrees and you can then connect them to each other via the exposed magnets, allowing you to lift the whole thing with 1 hand. You can't spin the resulting shape without them falling appart but its possible to make some strange little movements before using your other hand to disconnect them again. Theres probably loads and loads to be done with this, I'll be playing more tonight.

for buugeng!

-Inside variations..
-Parallel fountain.

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I re-implemented the inside varitaions
later into Poi moves.

sunny noon,

:R

Some basic liquid techniques..

in progress,

:R

Liquid techniques? You making waves Richee?

WWFFJNR> Uber liquid! Yay!!

-Continual buzzsaw with 1/2 beat
figure 8 site addoning.

-Inside wall plane & fun.

-360 (standing on one leg) rock!

-Figure 8 + step/step footwork.

joy of staff,

:R

Sweep:


drillin,

:R

Any chance of an explanation of your codes there please richee?

WWFJNR > All right, 1 s-staff, 2 sides, 1 buzzsaw.

The numbers meen how many beats are done
at each side or in buzzsaw. Sweep, cause
I use them all.

1) L(side) -> Buzzsaw -> R(side) and back.
2) Buzzsaw -> L(side) -> Buzzsaw -> R(side) and repeat.
3) 2 xL(side) -> Buzzsaw -> 2 x R(side) and back.

The second one start from buzzsaw, the difference
bettween the first and the third is how you catch
the s-staff when going out of buzzsaw.

Hope that make more sense.

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-Lower & upper buttefly "cross" (both direction)
-Butterlfy (synchornous) longarm
-More parallel, 1/2 beat reel
-"S" 'chained' staff 1/2 beats
-Dual insides
-Boxes
-131 sweep

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I feel much better now..le sigh!

relay on beat & resistance,

:R

Hi Everyone.
I wanted to share with You my buugeng video. There are some new techniques that I intend to develop, mostly based on izolations. I made up more tricks, but they are not refind enough. I hope You will like it, and it inspyre You to develop this way of using buugeng.

"Nice tech.."

Thenks

Here is something new from my friend Skeletor We hope You will like it.



We wan't to do tutorial in the future this type of tricks. But it will by not earlier then in the spring.

Merry Christmas

Both vids are super slinky guys, thanks for posting.